This Psychic Reading given by Edgar Cayce at his home on Arctic Crescent, Virginia Beach, Va., this 25th day of February, 1939, in accordance with request made by the self - Mr. [1497], Associate Member of the Ass''n for Research & Enlightenment, Inc.
P R E S E N T
Edgar Cayce; Gertrude Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno.
R E A D I N G
Time of Reading 10:45 to 11:15 A. M. Eastern Standard Time. ..., N.Y.
1. GC: You will have before you the material mind and body of [1497] whose place of business is at Room ..., New York City, and who is now at the Union League Club on E. 37th St. and Park Ave., New York, his activities, associations and associates, and who desires help, information and advice for his guidance from these sources. The following describes conditions on which questions to be asked are based: Representations were made, early in February, to Robert F. Black, President, and his associates, of the White Motor Company in Cleveland, Ohio for a sample installation, on one of their new, large, passenger buses, of the automobile and bus, air-conditioning device which has been developed by the entity as has been previously submitted to these Forces for advice. Much detail design has been accomplished specific to this proposed trial installation, all as disclosed in drawings, now finished and in preparation in the entity's place of business. Technical tests and calculations made since last July indicate the accurate fulfillment of the predictions given by these Forces. Informed opinion by competent engineers has endorsed the feasibility of the plans and specifications. You will answer the questions:
2. EC: Yes, we have the body, the enquiring mind, [1497]; together with the associations and activities with individuals and groups as respecting the contemplated installation of a test air conditioning at the White Motor Company, or White Bus Company.
3. Ready for questions.
4. (Q) Do the drawings and plans, as now developed, constitute the means for a successful DEMONSTRATION of this new development? (A) As we find, there will only be minor changes in the actual installation of the proposed air-conditioning.
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5. (Q) In what respects must changes be made? (A) As to meet the needs only of the PLACES or POSITIONS or conditions of the installation.
6. (Q) Is the structure of sufficient or proper size and proportions to normally produce four (4) tons of refrigeration for air-cooling in the passenger bus? (A) As we find, it is sufficient.
7. (Q) Are the combinations of copper, stainless-steel, activated carbon granules and methylene chloride (refrigerant gas) such as to maintain chemical stability with high exhaust gas temperatures, that is - from 600 to 1100 degrees Fahrenheit? (A) These as we find are efficient, and should work well with THIS combination.
8. (Q) Is the time cycle of 30 seconds for heating and 60 seconds for water cooling adequate, under normal, bus operating conditions, to produce the required results? (A) These, as we find, under normal conditions are sufficient and efficient. There will be some variations, to be sure, that must be accounted for, where there are long distance trips and stoppage after same in stations for any length of period. But these as we find may be arranged so that it drops back to the various activities as may be accounted for in the installation.
9. (Q) Will the apparatus be reliable in service and last the normal life of the bus itself without excessive attention or replacement? (A) These as we find, of course, will work as such cooling or such systems work. Under the strain of the bus activity, these will require toning or tuning at or under various circumstances; but not an EXCESSIVE manner.
10. (Q) Is there available a refrigerant gas SUPERIOR to Methylene Chloride ("Carrene") as to weight, volume and chemical stability for this specific principle of operation, - and as to safety to passengers? (A) This as we find, so far as has been developed, is that most or best in keeping with all of the conditions and requirements needed for such conditions.
11. (Q) Will the claims now embodied in the entity's patent application now on file in the United States Patent Office be allowed so as to prevent substantial duplication of this invention by others without infringement of the entity's claims? (A) As we find, these with the changes - but there are the needs that there be a coalition of the entity in the actual work with those who own patents on this especial character
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of process. In the rest of these - and if they are combined - correct.
12. (Q) Will there be patent interferences cited which will cause lengthy and expensive litigation with other applicants for the same claims? (A) Not if these are carried under the assistance or aids as have been indicated.
13. (Q) Will the White Motor Company permit this apparatus to be installed for trial on one of their new buses for a road test in June, 1939? (A) As the conditions stand now, they will.
14. (Q) If so, will the trial and tests be satisfactory without rearrangement or redesign of those parts of the apparatus directly embodied in this new invention? (A) They should be.
15. (Q) The White Motor Company states that, if this trial is satisfactory, it will want exclusive right to use this apparatus for passenger buses for a period of time. Is it to my advantage to tie up with them, on the above basis, for more than one year? (A) For at least three to five years would be the better, and we WOULD tie up with them - if this proves to be satisfactory, in the experiments and test runs.
16. (Q) Can this development be successfully marketed in 1939? (A) If tested and this is tied up, it is already marketed.
17. (Q) Will I find the means for manufacture and sale through which this may be done? (A) As we find with those associations and connections already established this may be done.
18. (Q) Representations were made by me on February 8th to the Carrier Corporation in Syracuse, New York, and personally to Willis H. Carrier, Chief Engineer, and to J. I. Lyle, President, for their cooperation in connection with the proposed, trial installation. Carrier, and expert in Air- conditioning, stated the plan was feasible and Lyle suggested they might acquire the invention on a royalty basis. This company owns the patents on Methylene Chloride, or "Carrene," which is the refrigerant gas found to be the best for the invention so far available. This company is fully able to furnish their product to the users of the new air-conditioner and participate to that extent to their profit. They are experts in systems where their product is used. On February 17th, I talked with Lyle in his office on the 4th floor of the Chrysler Bldg., N.Y., but his terms for acquiring the invention from me seemed unfair, since he will not agree to any compensation for my services, nor risk
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anything financially on the first model and trial of same. Is it to my advantage, as well as for the ultimate success in marketing and manufacturing this development to tie up with the Carrier Corp.? (A) As we find, it is practically necessary to be tied with them, in that there are the needs for the completing of patents as well as for the use of their product WITH the patent in making the tests necessary on such carriers or buses. And as we find, if there is given to understand, and not in a demand but as a correlating or working one with the other, these may be worked out satisfactorily with this company. While there may not be advance of moneys for the installation, there WILL be - or can be - the compensation for the activities of the entity during the periods of the installation.
19. (Q) Is their cooperation necessary to best results and to the benefit of all concerned? (A) As just indicated, necessary for the best results of ALL.
20. (Q) Should I insist on a fair retainer and their assuming the expense of the model? (A) As just indicated, there should be the insistency, - and this may be worked out to a satisfactory way and manner.
21. (Q) Should I, rather, arrange independently to build the new, trial model myself and, when the demonstration is made, resume negotiations with the Carrier people? (A) As we find, this will NOT be as satisfactory; though rather than to fail in being able to make the installations and tests, this may be done of course in this manner. But as we find, negotiations are still open for satisfactory arrangements with this organization - even before the first installation is done.
22. (Q) Is the Buensod-Stacey Air-Conditioning Corporation whose offices are on the 4th floor of the Lincoln Building, 60 East 42nd St., N.Y., in a position to be of practical assistance to me in designing associated equipment for completing the bus installation? (A) In some portions of same they are equipped, in others there may be more gained from the Carrier Company than with this, see?
23. (Q) Is this company better able to contribute to the successful marketing of the invention than Carrier, and should I preferably tie up with them? (A) As we find, they are NOT as well equipped as Carrier.
24. (Q) Should I separate activities and plans for large-sized bus and truck applications from activities and
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plans for small-sized, high quantity production as applied to taxicabs and private automobiles? (A) These must all as we find, and better activities may be had if they are worked together.
25. (Q) Will Alfred G. Kay, my associate, whose residence is Chester, N.J., and Palm Beach, Fla., and now present in N.Y. in his office, on the 4th floor, 114 East 32nd St., in Lustron Lights, Inc., be a dependable factor in helping with this program? (A) He is very good.
26. (Q) Is it still more preferable, for the success of this program, that I make independent arrangements for the manufacture and sale of the proposed equipment, after the trial is complete? (A) This, unless there can be satisfactory arrangements made with the Carrier Company as has been indicated, is preferable to letting it GO BY, see? But as we have given and indicated, there may be a more satisfactory coalition with the Carrier Company.
27. (Q) Does the Ward Leonard Electric Co. of Mount Vernon, N.Y., to whose President, Leonard Kebler of Ridge Road, Bronxville, I have talked about this invention, offer the opportunity needed to manufacture and market this invention? (A) As we find, rather in the manner as has been indicated, with these others - are the better ones to work with, see?
28. (Q) With respect to the larger uses of the device, for taxicabs and passenger automobiles in the smaller sizes, is it to the success of this development and to my advantage to enlist the cooperation of John A. Callahan, of Lake Shore Drive, Lake View near Buffalo, Erie Co., N.Y.? (A) This so far as finances are concerned would be very well; so far as the works are concerned, not necessary.
29. (Q) Should I vigorously pursue at this time the proposed contact with Fred M. Zeder, Vice-Chairman of the Chrysler Corp. in Detroit, through Callahan, for the adoption of the invention for private passenger cars? (A) As we find, this might be held in abeyance until there is the perfecting of the use of same in the bus and then in the taxicab, before it is completed for passenger cars. For this will necessarily only come to the higher-priced cars, and as we find while it is very well to consider same, this should be held as we find rather in abeyance at the present time. But so establish an association or connection that they will
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be seeking the advantages to be had.
30. (Q) Will there be a conflict between arrangements made with White Motor Company on large passenger bus applications which would prevent closing with Chrysler on private passenger car applications? (A) Just as we have indicated, it would first be tested in the one before there is the consideration in others; yet holding same open; and there will NOT - when these are perfected - be any conflicting influences in other associations or connections.
31. (Q) Since this project requires concentrated attention to bring to a conclusion, should I seek other avenues of more prompt financial returns at this time? (A) As we find through these very channels as have been mentioned there may be had the financial returns.
32. (Q) When these sources predicted, in the reading of October 28th, the sale of this invention within 30, 40 or 60 days, was the present situation then foreseen, or is the proper opportunity yet to come? (A) The opportunity is at hand; use it!
33. (Q) In view of the indications in the reading of October 28th that I could obtain engagement for my services through the offices of Benjamin A. Javits, Attorney of 165 Broadway, New York, is this still to be expected? (A) This is still to be expected until or unless this is decided or determined through the very activities which are being begun now in the present associations and relations.
34. (Q) Have these prospects been affected or will they be affected by my withdrawal from the proxy fight organized by Javits to obtain control of the Crocker Wheeler Electric company? (A) These as we find may be withdrawn after there has been the greater or closer association established with those necessary activities for the completing of the work in hand.
35. (Q) Having made application and taken the examination on January 25th, will I obtain my license to practice professional engineering in the State of New York? (A) As we find, this will be granted.
36. (Q) Any other advice at this time? (A) Hold fast to those associations with the Carrier Company, see; these are necessary adjuncts for the completing of the whole situation. To be sure, some of these will drive a hard bargain, but hold to those developments; and using the finances as may be obtained through those associations on the 32nd Street address here, - those, see, as has been indicated. Do these - Don't give up or become discouraged; for you are
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on the road to REAL success.
37. We are through for the present. Copy to Self - Special Delivery " " Assn'n file [Question submitted but not asked: Is the automatic Radiant Electric Heater which oscillates back and forth like and electric fan, as drawn up in my office, acceptable for sale to a manufacturer?] r?]